Friday, December 26, 2008

Right read, wrong player, bad fold?

I've only seen a few rounds of the button but neither player has stood out to this point. The big overbet screams a made straight. I rule out an overpair due to there being no preflop raise. The smooth call was an even greater concern. Calling for most of his stack obviously also means a made hand?

So for one bet invested, do I want to play for both stacks or pull the ripcord? Or on such a draw heavy board with so many hand holdings (under set, 2 pair, flush draw, str draw etc etc) is this a spot to fold top set? If the players were deeper how does this affect the hand? Are you more or less likely to push?

(And yes, I folded quads...)




PokerStars Game #23286662189: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/26 22:08:16 ET
Table 'Bohmia' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: crisb732002 ($16.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Spymaster21 ($29.90 in chips)
Seat 3: MLSSTOCKS ($16.05 in chips)
Seat 4: Forrest Gump ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 5: dockey27 ($10.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Minicid ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: slapper44 ($9.15 in chips)
Seat 8: nyplny ($6.30 in chips)
Seat 9: Klytus ($9.50 in chips)
crisb732002: posts small blind $0.10
Spymaster21: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Forrest Gump [8d 8h]
MLSSTOCKS: folds
Forrest Gump: calls $0.25
dockey27: calls $0.25
Minicid: calls $0.25
slapper44: calls $0.25
nyplny: folds
Klytus: folds
crisb732002: folds
Spymaster21: checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 8c 6h]
Spymaster21: checks
Forrest Gump: checks
dockey27: bets $5.75
Minicid: folds
slapper44: calls $5.75
Spymaster21: folds
Forrest Gump: folds
*** TURN *** [7h 8c 6h] [8s]
MLSSTOCKS said, "5.75 on 1.35 pot???"
dockey27: bets $4.55 and is all-in
slapper44: calls $3.15 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.40) returned to dockey27
*** RIVER *** [7h 8c 6h 8s] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dockey27: shows [4h 5c] (a straight, Four to Eight)
slapper44: mucks hand
dockey27 collected $18.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.15 | Rake $0.90
Board [7h 8c 6h 8s Jd]
Seat 1: crisb732002 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Spymaster21 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: MLSSTOCKS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Forrest Gump folded on the Flop
Seat 5: dockey27 showed [4h 5c] and won ($18.25) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 6: Minicid folded on the Flop
Seat 7: slapper44 mucked [5d Ac]
Seat 8: nyplny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Klytus (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)



My read
1.
board: 7h8c6h
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
8d8h 28.46% 254 9
9hTc 71.10% 639 9
7c8s 0.44% 1 9

2.
board: 7h8c6h
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
8d8h 24.03% 214 9
9hTc 71.10% 639 9
7d7s 4.87% 41 9

3.
board: 7h8c6h
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
8d8h 36.21% 322 15
Ah9h 37.65% 335 15
4s5s 26.14% 231 15


The reality:
board: 7h8c6h
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
8d8h 40.57% 357 28
4h5c 48.49% 339 207
Ac5d 10.94% 0 207


...The Ac5d highlights the biggest problem I have in microlimits and that's over-reading and giving players too much credit.



FG

3 comments:

bastinptc said...

Maybe it's just me, but I'm calling with top set and all three players in. You boat up, more than likely you win.

Forrest Gump said...

That's the thing B, you only have 1 bet (25c) invested. I didn't lead out because I wanted to see what happened behind me then likely check-raise. The large overbet for half his stack took me by surprise.

If you're confident at least one player has you drawing to a boat, is it correct to push here given the effective stack sizes?


FG

bastinptc said...

I don't imagine they were thinking about you drawing to a boat, mainly because you haven't done anything besides limp in pre. Also, even though it is after the fact, both players were merely concerned with their holdings, not that of others.

Yes, the monstrous bet is off-putting, and your read is correct that he is protecting a straight...or another set. You wrote that you were planning to check-raise to protect your strong yet vulnerable hand. Your hand has such strength that I just can't see folding. You have 11 outs as I count it (I could be wrong) with the remaining sixes, sevens, whatever the turn brings, and the case 8.

You have enough of a roll not to be a nit. For a contrasting style of play, you might want to look at http://www.thinkingpoker.net/Blog/. Foucault taps into an aggression that is hard to wrap one's head around, yet his fearlessness is food for thought.

 
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